Legislature(1999 - 2000)

01/28/1999 01:35 PM House FIN

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GENERAL SUBJECT(S): BUDGET OVERVIEWS FOR THE FOLLOWING DEPARTMENTS:                                                             
    DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                                                                    
    DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                           
    DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The following overview was taken in log note format.  Tapes and                                                                 
handouts will be on file with the House Finance Committee through the                                                           
21st Legislative Session, contact 465-2156. After the 21st Legislative                                                          
Session they will be available through the Legislative Library at 465-                                                          
3808.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Time Meeting Convened: 1:35 P.M.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 99 -  9, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 -  9, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 10, Side 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT:                                                                                                                        
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Representative G. Davis                                                                                                         
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Co-Chair Therriault                                                                                                             
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Representative Foster                                                                                                           
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
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Representative Grussendorf                                                                                                      
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Representative Austerman                                                                                                        
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Representative Kohring                                                                                                          
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Representative Bunde                                                                                                            
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Representative  Moses                                                                                                           
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Representative J. Davies                                                                                                        
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Representative Williams                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT:                                                                                                                   
DAVID TEAL, DIRECTOR, LEGISLATIVE FINANCE; MICHELLE BROWN,                                                                      
COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION; BARBARA                                                                 
FRANK, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF                                                             
ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION; BRUCE BOTELHO, ATTORNEY GENERAL,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF LAW; DELL SMITH, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF                                                               
PUBLIC SAFETY; KENNETH  BISCHOFF, DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                            
OFADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY;                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
LOG                                                                                                                             
SPEAKER                                                                                                                         
DISCUSSION                                                                                                                      
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Tape HFC 99 - 9, Side 1.                                                                                                        
Convened the HFC meeting at 1:35 P.M.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION                                                                                        
Introduced Commissioner Brown, Department                                                                                       
of Environmental Conservation                                                                                                   
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MICHELLE BROWN,                                                                                                                 
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
ENVIRONMENTAL                                                                                                                   
CONSERVATION                                                                                                                    
Provided a history of why Governor Egan                                                                                         
created the agency of Department of                                                                                             
Environmental Conservation.  It provides                                                                                        
more regulatory service for large                                                                                               
operators and the small business people.                                                                                        
259                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
The department believes in doing service                                                                                        
correctly with a comprehensive                                                                                                  
interdisciplinary approach.  Cooperating                                                                                        
with the federal government.  Safe and                                                                                          
healthy communities are the vision of the                                                                                       
department.  Protection and prevention.                                                                                         
347                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Hard to put a value on prevention and                                                                                           
wellness.  Protecting the state by                                                                                              
providing a level of confidence in the                                                                                          
Alaska citizens by managing to the levels                                                                                       
established.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
461                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Department works in partnership with                                                                                            
business and works to manage risk.                                                                                              
Example of Prince Williams Sound. Oil and                                                                                       
Hazardous substance. Created public-                                                                                            
private partnership and have provided                                                                                           
training's to manage above water storage                                                                                        
tanks.                                                                                                                          
576                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Corps level functions, water, solid waste                                                                                       
projects, cleaning up sites, access                                                                                             
environmental problems, incentives for                                                                                          
water for drinking water, developed                                                                                             
protocol for food etc., technical                                                                                               
assistance for underground storage tanks.                                                                                       
665                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Highlighted fiscal policy issues: Reliance                                                                                      
on restrictive funding sources to provide                                                                                       
service to meet needs of citizens.                                                                                              
Difficult to access Corp government                                                                                             
functions.  Not enough resources.  How can                                                                                      
the Department set policy with restrictive                                                                                      
funding sources?                                                                                                                
740                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
General Funds have been decreased since                                                                                         
FY95 by 50%.  Federal funds have stringent                                                                                      
rules on what that money can be used for.                                                                                       
820                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
The costs to run a program needs to have                                                                                        
the proper mix of funds.  The Corp level                                                                                        
of responsibilities must receive general                                                                                        
funding dollars. More reductions means                                                                                          
more risk for Alaskans.                                                                                                         
884                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
User fees represent 6.5% of the budget.                                                                                         
Legislature has the responsibility of                                                                                           
establishing the fees.  There are many                                                                                          
issues on how to structure those fees.                                                                                          
975                                                                                                                             
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
The issue of improving the permits                                                                                              
currently being issued.  There needs to be                                                                                      
more use of general permits.  Also, need                                                                                        
to use more third party contractors so not                                                                                      
to use the current staff.  Can the                                                                                              
Department provide sufficient funding?                                                                                          
Theoretical modeling creating a more                                                                                            
restrictive permit.                                                                                                             
1038                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Acquisition of federal government data.                                                                                         
Whether the state should move to                                                                                                
assumption as recommended by the key Ak                                                                                         
water permitting group which will cost in                                                                                       
state dollars.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1086                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Increments are risk reduction and                                                                                               
permitting.  Risk reduction includes                                                                                            
checking of high-risk food surveying                                                                                            
facilities.  Secondly, Safe Water Drinking                                                                                      
Act which require new monitoring for that                                                                                       
program.  Water and WasteWater.  The                                                                                            
federal government has provided more                                                                                            
funding for these programs.  It does take                                                                                       
staff to implement the federal grants.                                                                                          
1170                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Two increments to improve the second                                                                                            
point.  This will positively affect salmon                                                                                      
habitat.  It will need a modest $11.5                                                                                           
million dollars.                                                                                                                
1210                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Additional increments requiring budget                                                                                          
increments.                                                                                                                     
1230                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Asked if the Department had been asked to                                                                                       
decrease the budget.                                                                                                            
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Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Yes                                                                                                                             
1270                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Does public think this is an important                                                                                          
service?                                                                                                                        
1282                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
They are very important.  More info is                                                                                          
available through the internet.                                                                                                 
Information must be provided.                                                                                                   
1317                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
The public often does not know what is                                                                                          
required of them.  Public is often                                                                                              
uninformed.                                                                                                                     
1345                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Were vacancies recently filled?                                                                                                 
1358                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Yes and explained the process.  The net is                                                                                      
no increase and rearranged of staff.  The                                                                                       
position was moved to Anchorage.                                                                                                
1400                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Believed that industry need more help than                                                                                      
the public?                                                                                                                     
1416                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Technical people do not always communicate                                                                                      
correctly for regulation packages and they                                                                                      
train the staff for communication.  She                                                                                         
added that she had imposed a hiring chill.                                                                                      
1465                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Asked for clarification.                                                                                                        
1483                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Explained the need for clear communication                                                                                      
by a team of people who build                                                                                                   
complimentary skills.  Some people are not                                                                                      
fully trained.                                                                                                                  
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Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Salmon habitat?                                                                                                                 
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BARBARA FRANK,                                                                                                                  
DIRECTOR, DIVISION                                                                                                              
OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                                                               
SERVICES,                                                                                                                       
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
ENVIRONMENTAL                                                                                                                   
CONSERVATION                                                                                                                    
It does not overlap with that in Fish and                                                                                       
Game.  It came from board of Habitat last                                                                                       
year.  Should not make changes that affect                                                                                      
the timber operations.  Last year water                                                                                         
shed assessment to identify water bodies                                                                                        
throughout the state.  Department of                                                                                            
Environmental Conservation is responsible                                                                                       
to clarify that info.  There is                                                                                                 
collaboration between the two agencies.                                                                                         
1619                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Important to coordinate throughout the                                                                                          
state.  Work directly with EPA.  Once on                                                                                        
the water body list.                                                                                                            
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Co-Chair                                                                                                                        
Therriault                                                                                                                      
Asked the size of the Clean Air Fund?                                                                                           
1695                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Noted that the federal government asked                                                                                         
thatbe established but there are other $                                                                                        
needed in order to implement the program.                                                                                       
Every dollar has to be accounted for in                                                                                         
the established of the program.  The                                                                                            
Department is limited as to what to do                                                                                          
with the funding.  A mix of money is                                                                                            
needed.                                                                                                                         
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Co-Chair                                                                                                                        
Therriault                                                                                                                      
Disagreed with the need with technically                                                                                        
trained people.                                                                                                                 
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Co-Chair                                                                                                                        
Therriault                                                                                                                      
He acknowledged that Department of                                                                                              
Environmental Conservation has kept EPA at                                                                                      
bay.                                                                                                                            
1806                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Noted that there are many people who tract                                                                                      
permits.  This is important for the large                                                                                       
operators.                                                                                                                      
1827                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Grussendorf                                                                                                                     
Agreed that interpretation is important.                                                                                        
He referenced the BRU of environmental                                                                                          
health and the Seafood and San inspection.                                                                                      
1855                                                                                                                            
Ms. Frank                                                                                                                       
New component is Food Safety Component to                                                                                       
increase efficiencies.                                                                                                          
1872                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked the kind of guidance given to the                                                                                         
information employees.                                                                                                          
1903                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Reviews all press releases; guidance is                                                                                         
available in the lobbying issue.  Not a                                                                                         
problem yet.                                                                                                                    
1933                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked how fees are set for permits in the                                                                                       
remote areas.                                                                                                                   
1971                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Stated that it varies.  Travel costs are                                                                                        
averaged.  Those costs are not included.                                                                                        
2014                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair                                                                                                                        
Therriault                                                                                                                      
That was addressed last year.                                                                                                   
2026                                                                                                                            
Representative J.                                                                                                               
Davies                                                                                                                          
Asked for examples of high-risk areas.                                                                                          
2037                                                                                                                            
Ms. Frank                                                                                                                       
There is a matrix that characterizes the                                                                                        
risks within a facility.i.e. smoking etc                                                                                        
ranking.                                                                                                                        
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Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Asked for written copies of high risk.  He                                                                                      
pointed out the difference between those                                                                                        
items contained in the short form.                                                                                              
2105                                                                                                                            
Ms. Frank                                                                                                                       
The only increment in that component is                                                                                         
$330 thousand dollars.                                                                                                          
2121                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Pointed out fund source change, which                                                                                           
might be a sourer of the discrepancy.                                                                                           
2138                                                                                                                            
Ms. Frank                                                                                                                       
Agreed noting that it had been moved.                                                                                           
2150                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
He understood that program had been                                                                                             
removed.  There are engineers who are                                                                                           
responsible for stamping certain programs.                                                                                      
Does this make sense?  Why should that be                                                                                       
additionally approved?  He asked if there                                                                                       
were other areas that this was occurring.                                                                                       
Those areas should be contracted.                                                                                               
2217                                                                                                                            
Commissioner Brown                                                                                                              
Yes in both contracting and or hiring                                                                                           
third party people.  Permitting often                                                                                           
fluctuates a lot.  That is an area, which                                                                                       
has been looked at.                                                                                                             
2259                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Representative Williams will be the                                                                                             
subcommittee chair.                                                                                                             
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TAPE CHANGE                                                                                                                     
DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                               
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BRUCE BOTHELO,                                                                                                                  
ASSISTANT ATTORNEY                                                                                                              
GENERAL,                                                                                                                        
DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                               
Explained the mission of the Department of                                                                                      
Law.  He spoke to the handout and the task                                                                                      
of the department both civil and criminal.                                                                                      
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Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
The civil division is divided in to 11                                                                                          
sections with the largest being in                                                                                              
Anchorage.  He spoke to the current trends                                                                                      
happening in the State.  There have been                                                                                        
fewer reported crimes although there have                                                                                       
been a steady increase in the caseload of                                                                                       
the Department.  The other trend in the                                                                                         
criminal div has been the increase to                                                                                           
challenge the unlawful statutory schemes.                                                                                       
255                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Continued addressing current trends.  On                                                                                        
the civil division side there are ongoing                                                                                       
efforts in child protection.  There has                                                                                         
been an overwhelming flood in the State to                                                                                      
new hires in the private sector.                                                                                                
Overwhelmed state lawyers are leaving at a                                                                                      
dramatic rate.  Huge impact causing other                                                                                       
lawyers to be assigned while trying to                                                                                          
fill vacancies.                                                                                                                 
419                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
The second area of trouble, the amount of                                                                                       
tort regulation that has been brought upon                                                                                      
the State on behalf of the State with high                                                                                      
emotional content and heavily litigated.                                                                                        
Department of Law has felt this as a drain                                                                                      
on resources.                                                                                                                   
487                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Millers Reach Case to gain access and                                                                                           
class action certification and the Old Run                                                                                      
Case/state not timely responding to the                                                                                         
missing family.  Tremendous impact on the                                                                                       
State.                                                                                                                          
547                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Consumer protection efforts have been                                                                                           
minimal.  This area has not been as                                                                                             
aggressive as the State historically was.                                                                                       
Has required tremendous state resources.                                                                                        
616                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Litigation and settlement costs to the                                                                                          
State.  Department of Law continues to                                                                                          
have on-going involvement and enforcement.                                                                                      
Currently, litigation with 13 different                                                                                         
places to sell to minors.  Impact that has                                                                                      
affected and working with the FDC.                                                                                              
725                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Bottle                                                                                                                          
Request for 1 full time attorney in                                                                                             
Consumer protection.  The trends in the                                                                                         
kinds of cases and how they translate in                                                                                        
the budget request.                                                                                                             
775                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Spoke to model legislation, which deals                                                                                         
with the non-settling manufactures.  Not                                                                                        
required by 2001.                                                                                                               
810                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Why is the settlement before the US                                                                                             
Supreme Court                                                                                                                   
827                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Bottle                                                                                                                          
Each state is individually responsible for                                                                                      
their own settlement.  It is a unique to                                                                                        
AK Department of Law.  There must be 60-                                                                                        
wait period.  Alaska is the only state,                                                                                         
which has that provision.                                                                                                       
879                                                                                                                             
Representative J.                                                                                                               
Davies                                                                                                                          
Asked if Alaska receipt of funds is                                                                                             
contingent on the proposed legislation.                                                                                         
919                                                                                                                             
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Reaching settlement with the five tobacco                                                                                       
companies felt that they would be put at a                                                                                      
disadvantage to the large companies and                                                                                         
asked for a provision to provide a safety                                                                                       
mechanism.  The settlement must contain                                                                                         
certain standards throughout the industry.                                                                                      
1000                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Observed that who brought the suit?  In                                                                                         
the civil division he thought that there                                                                                        
was overlap.  Why the need for separate                                                                                         
subdivision.                                                                                                                    
1051                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Historically, Department of Law started                                                                                         
with resources division but with the                                                                                            
Prudoe Bay issue it became obvious that                                                                                         
additional section was necessary to                                                                                             
address all leasing issues as well as tax                                                                                       
related issues.  This agency has focused                                                                                        
on Department of Fish and Game issues and                                                                                       
these kinds of issues surfaced with many                                                                                        
different related issues involving federal                                                                                      
and State relations.  And issued tied to                                                                                        
State sovereignty and federal sov.                                                                                              
1157                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Corps of lawyers to provide legal advice                                                                                        
to the oil spill trustees and the federal                                                                                       
cleanup requirements.                                                                                                           
1198                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
These areas are interrupted yet distinct.                                                                                       
1217                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked how much administrative support was                                                                                       
needed.                                                                                                                         
1234                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
Each attorney carries a full caseload and                                                                                       
in that respect, consolidation would be                                                                                         
unwise and would be beyond the ability for                                                                                      
the attorney.                                                                                                                   
1280                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Increase of $45 thousand for Post                                                                                               
Secondary Ed                                                                                                                    
1310                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
State has developed a collection section                                                                                        
asking Department of Law to take on those                                                                                       
concerns as well as CSEA.  Department of                                                                                        
Law delivers a good product for a cheaper                                                                                       
prices.                                                                                                                         
1354                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Asked when the first payment would be due.                                                                                      
1370                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
June 30, 1999 or when 80% of the State has                                                                                      
signed on although there are challenges to                                                                                      
the settlements.                                                                                                                
1427                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Federal loans requesting 50%                                                                                                    
1431                                                                                                                            
Attorney General                                                                                                                
Botelho                                                                                                                         
The federal Gov. agency has indeed noted                                                                                        
that they will garner 50% of the money for                                                                                      
Medicaid.  Congress has asked that effort                                                                                       
not be undertaken.  If there is effort,                                                                                         
Department of Law will be the ones to make                                                                                      
the effort.  He indicated that there will                                                                                       
be a strong effort to enact resolutions to                                                                                      
express their concerns to congress that                                                                                         
federal got will leave the money alone.                                                                                         
1520                                                                                                                            
Representative J.                                                                                                               
Davies                                                                                                                          
Is there a draft resolution?                                                                                                    
1531                                                                                                                            
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Chair for Subcommittee will be                                                                                                  
Representative Kohring.                                                                                                         
1553                                                                                                                            
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1564                                                                                                                            
DELL SMITH, DEPUTY                                                                                                              
COMMISSIONER,                                                                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                                                   
PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                                   
Spoke to the duties of the Department.                                                                                          
1614                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
$3.6 million dollar change to proposed                                                                                          
budget.  Explained the increases.                                                                                               
Increment to Fish and Wildlife protection.                                                                                      
Maintain a target of 87 specialists on                                                                                          
ground.  Support cost to maintain a                                                                                             
trooper level in the year 2000.  In the                                                                                         
process of hiring the academy as                                                                                                
recommended last year by the Legislature.                                                                                       
1685                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
VPOS salary increase and absent increment                                                                                       
for Child Protection Act etc.                                                                                                   
1717                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
The department has had cost increases                                                                                           
which has not been addressed with current                                                                                       
budget.  There has been consternation                                                                                           
regarding the # of troopers.  He listed                                                                                         
the current number of troopers and have                                                                                         
included the amount of support costs for                                                                                        
maintaining the recommended level.                                                                                              
1785                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Funding approved $800 thousand dollars.                                                                                         
Currently, on track.                                                                                                            
1810                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked where the new troopers will be                                                                                            
assigned.                                                                                                                       
1829                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Offered to try although pointed out that                                                                                        
it is an ever-changing situation.                                                                                               
1848                                                                                                                            
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Asked if there was a statutory to maintain                                                                                      
a communication search and rescue network.                                                                                      
1868                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Not within Department of Public Safety                                                                                          
1885                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Commented on civil defense starting there.                                                                                      
He noted the increase for VPSO's.                                                                                               
1919                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
There was a 12% increase for VPSO's.  The                                                                                       
initial request was for 35% increase,                                                                                           
which was not funded.                                                                                                           
1942                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Applauded the process of budgeting.  He                                                                                         
noted that over the interim, officers                                                                                           
appointed to court transport of mental                                                                                          
patience.  Troopers are assigned to                                                                                             
transport, he heard that there are some                                                                                         
contractual operations to do that.                                                                                              
2045                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Replied that Department of Public Safety                                                                                        
has tasked contractual help address the                                                                                         
solution.                                                                                                                       
2071                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Last year the department to boost up                                                                                            
prisoner transportation problem.  Has the                                                                                       
prison situation been alleviated?                                                                                               
2095                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Trying to relieve and are transferring                                                                                          
money around to address this concern.                                                                                           
Budgeting sufficient money for these                                                                                            
concerns.                                                                                                                       
2123                                                                                                                            
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Concern for funding for lab in Anchorage.                                                                                       
Is there a crisis?                                                                                                              
2150                                                                                                                            
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
The final outcome has found that the                                                                                            
municipal police department have expressed                                                                                      
concern yet so far have been able to deal                                                                                       
with it.  During the interim, there has                                                                                         
been federal funding for the DNA testing                                                                                        
to process the DNA catalogue from                                                                                               
convicted offenders.                                                                                                            
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TAPE CHANGE                                                                                                                     
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DELL SMITH                                                                                                                      
Have requested funding in year 2000                                                                                             
057                                                                                                                             
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Are there an additional request for                                                                                             
funding of troopers in the last year.                                                                                           
103                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
The Legislature authorized 17 new troopers                                                                                      
for last year.  He explained the need to                                                                                        
carry those troopers for a full year, not                                                                                       
an entire year.                                                                                                                 
164                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Up front that the Governor requested 19                                                                                         
less positions not the Legislature                                                                                              
242                                                                                                                             
Representative J.                                                                                                               
Davies                                                                                                                          
Noted that these are complicated issues                                                                                         
and should not be mischaracterize these                                                                                         
positions.                                                                                                                      
285                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Bunde                                                                                                                           
Why did the senate need witnesses there?                                                                                        
310                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Austerman                                                                                                                       
Spoke to VPSO's in communities that had                                                                                         
varied responsibilities within the                                                                                              
communities.  He asked if that had been                                                                                         
addressed.                                                                                                                      
365                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Offered to investigate that information.                                                                                        
403                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Williams                                                                                                                        
Asked why commercial fishermen, fire arms.                                                                                      
441                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Are fully commissioned officers and in                                                                                          
some areas in the state they are the only                                                                                       
officers in those areas.  They do serve                                                                                         
warrants in that function and are trained                                                                                       
as a state trooper.                                                                                                             
514                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Alaska believes that given the resource                                                                                         
value and the size of the State it is                                                                                           
important to have Department of Law                                                                                             
enforcement in that resource.  There is a                                                                                       
brown shirt division within the department                                                                                      
and it is focused on Department of Law                                                                                          
enforcement.                                                                                                                    
589                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Williams                                                                                                                        
Commented on his community and VPSO                                                                                             
officer having that responsibility.                                                                                             
640                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Replied that if they are fully trained                                                                                          
State troopers.                                                                                                                 
676                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Williams                                                                                                                        
Stated that it costs more for these                                                                                             
positions and those brown shirts level of                                                                                       
expertise required on that level and save                                                                                       
the state money.                                                                                                                
727                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Noted that other states have had game                                                                                           
wardens, which have not worked very well.                                                                                       
Brown shirts are an appropriate response                                                                                        
to the current needs.                                                                                                           
779                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
Voiced concern that a number of                                                                                                 
communities throughout the state, the only                                                                                      
Department of Law enforcement present is                                                                                        
the brown shirt.                                                                                                                
813                                                                                                                             
Representative                                                                                                                  
Grussendorf                                                                                                                     
The person that is a brown shirt has the                                                                                        
same qualifications of a state trooper                                                                                          
835                                                                                                                             
Mr. Smith                                                                                                                       
All go through the same training and                                                                                            
regulations and additional expertise on                                                                                         
certain issues.                                                                                                                 
857                                                                                                                             
Representative G.                                                                                                               
Davis                                                                                                                           
Provided an example of fish poaching.                                                                                           
That is the perception of people in the                                                                                         
state.                                                                                                                          
910                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Noted that Representative G. Davis would                                                                                        
be the Subcommittee Chair.                                                                                                      
937                                                                                                                             
Co-Chair Mulder                                                                                                                 
Adjourned the meeting at 3:30 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
LOG NOTES                                                                                                                       
January 28, 1999                                                                                                                
H.F.C.  1 1/28/99                                                                                                               

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